What have i done wrong!

**houston** · by **houston** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:51 am

the bottom line here is that u have an 'ABS' fault and u are trying to trick the mot tester in to passing ur car,,, correct?
u say u are running out of time? for what getting charged a retest fee?
well i tell u if it was my child u knocked down cause u 'BODGED' UR ABS
u would not be on this planet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

get a grip m8 its there for a reason

houston we have a problem, a big problem,,,,, U!

GET IT FIXED!!!

yeah its to save paying for a retest cos i cant get the sensor in time, and who the hell you think your talkin to like that? you know how many cars DONT have abs on the road and their brakes work fine, you need to get your head out your arse and read what im saying properly, this was a simple enough thread and its become a slagging match!

abs will not stop your car quicker, i meant use the gearing by when you brake dont put clutch straight down, even in 5th gear the engine will pull back and help you stop, clutch is supposed to be applied before engine stalling to assist braking but abs has changed all this and most people dont know the diff. sorry i didnt explain that bit well.

[/QUOTE]whats actually wrong with your abs?

have you checked the codes? I believe you can flash them up just like the ecu code..[QUOTE]

yeah i checked the code and found it was a speed sensor, the one i got from vaux was the wrong one and they cant get me the right one till tue.

Mark1 · by **Mark1** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:16 am

<div class='quotetop'>(houston)</div><div class='quotemain'>yeah its to save paying for a retest cos i cant get the sensor in time, and who the hell you think your talkin to like that? you know how many cars DONT have abs on the road and their brakes work fine, you need to get your head out your arse and read what im saying properly, this was a simple enough thread and its become a slagging match!

abs will not stop your car quicker, i meant use the gearing by when you brake dont put clutch straight down, even in 5th gear the engine will pull back and help you stop, clutch is supposed to be applied before engine stalling to assist braking but abs has changed all this and most people dont know the diff. sorry i didnt explain that bit well.</div>whats actually wrong with your abs?

have you checked the codes? I believe you can flash them up just like the ecu code..<div class='quotetop'></div><div class='quotemain'>yeah i checked the code and found it was a speed sensor, the one i got from vaux was the wrong one and they cant get me the right one till tue.</div>

Yes I do know the diff and what you've said is correct.

And If this does turn in to a slagging match it will be locked.

**billys valver** · by **billys valver** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:46 pm

<div class='quotetop'>(houston)</div><div class='quotemain'>yeah its to save paying for a retest cos i cant get the sensor in time, and who the hell you think your talkin to like that? you know how many cars DONT have abs on the road and their brakes work fine, you need to get your head out your arse and read what im saying properly, this was a simple enough thread and its become a slagging match!

abs will not stop your car quicker, i meant use the gearing by when you brake dont put clutch straight down, even in 5th gear the engine will pull back and help you stop, clutch is supposed to be applied before engine stalling to assist braking but abs has changed all this and most people dont know the diff. sorry i didnt explain that bit well.</div>whats actually wrong with your abs?

have you checked the codes? I believe you can flash them up just like the ecu code..<div class='quotetop'></div><div class='quotemain'>yeah i checked the code and found it was a speed sensor, the one i got from vaux was the wrong one and they cant get me the right one till tue.</div>

first of all sorry for maybe being a bit sharp with you

iam not trying to get in to a slagging match with anyone!
1. i do know how an a.b.s system work's
2. i know how many car's on the road DONT have a.b.s

at the end of the day your car has a.b.s as standered and it aint working
u are trying to brake the law by tricking the mot tester in to thinking its ok
which would also mean ur insurance is invalid
also i am sorry but my local vauxhall dealer has these in stock. so why cant u get ur sensor till tuesday. (all vauxhall parts are on a nationwide computer and are avalible on next day delivery)

**wilkybar-kid** · by **wilkybar-kid** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:23 pm

[PHP] well i tell u if it was my child u knocked down cause u 'BODGED' UR ABS[/PHP]
I am sorry but if you need to rely on your ABS working to avoid hitting someone you rearly shouldent be driving in the first place, I mean most of us when we learnt to drive where tought a little thing called an emergancey stop! in outher words quickly bringing a car to a fast yet controled stop... hitting the brakes as hard as you can even with ABS is not rearly the safest thing to do.
I am not saying he is in the right or the wroung for bodging the light to pass the MOT, but as long as the brakes are working the car still has the same abilaty to stop as any outher car on the road, ABS is just a driving aid after all... next thing you know cars will be failing there MOT's due to cruse control not working. Lastly, I was told by the AA during my learning to drive that you should never be in a situation where you need to do an emergancy stop in the first place, so by having hit the child menciond above you would have bin in the wroung for your driving any way.
Thats my Two Pence worth on this...

**billys valver** · by **billys valver** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:01 am

<div class='quotetop'>(wilkybar-kid)</div><div class='quotemain'>[PHP] well i tell u if it was my child u knocked down cause u 'BODGED' UR ABS[/PHP]
I am sorry but if you need to rely on your ABS working to avoid hitting someone you rearly shouldent be driving in the first place, I mean most of us when we learnt to drive where tought a little thing called an emergancey stop! in outher words quickly bringing a car to a fast yet controled stop... hitting the brakes as hard as you can even with ABS is not rearly the safest thing to do.
I am not saying he is in the right or the wroung for bodging the light to pass the MOT, but as long as the brakes are working the car still has the same abilaty to stop as any outher car on the road, ABS is just a driving aid after all... next thing you know cars will be failing there MOT's due to cruse control not working. Lastly, I was told by the AA during my learning to drive that you should never be in a situation where you need to do an emergancy stop in the first place, so by having hit the child menciond above you would have bin in the wroung for your driving any way.
Thats my Two Pence worth on this...</div>
i know what u are saying here, but abs was fitted to cars for a reason.( ie far better braking) u say that hitting the brakes as hard as you can even with abs is not realy the safest thing to do? why?

a.b.s stands for anti lock brake system. which means if u slam on ur brakes it wont lock up and skid.
with out abs, slam the brakes on and u will lock up and skid
which makes abs a far safer braking system
i know that is ur 2 pence worth....... BUT

getting back to the original thread...brakes are THE most important safety aspect of a vehicle, and if his brakes are not working to maufacture spec, and also not fit to pass an mot, then surely they are un safe!

**ice man** · by **ice man** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:16 am

It's not that simple... If the abs is working then that's fine. if it's disabled or removed then thats fine also.

If there's a fault in the ABS and it thinks you are locking up a wheel when you aren't then it will stop the brakes from working properly.

This happened in my rover vitesse due to a faulty sensor. It scared the crap out of me too. I was rolling up to a tee junction when the ABS started fighting with me and i nearly ended up causing an accident.

Try to disable the ABS too - not just the warning light. I think a fuse out should do it? -edit- (just until you get the new sensor though...)

**billys valver** · by **billys valver** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:24 am

<div class='quotetop'>(ice man)</div><div class='quotemain'>It's not that simple... If the abs is working then that's fine. if it's disabled or removed then thats fine also.

If there's a fault in the ABS and it thinks you are locking up a wheel when you aren't then it will stop the brakes from working properly.

This happened in my rover vitesse due to a faulty sensor. It scared the crap out of me too. I was rolling up to a tee junction when the ABS started fighting with me and i nearly ended up causing an accident.

Try to disable the ABS too - not just the warning light. I think a fuse out should do it?</div>

what's not that simple?
if u have an a.b.s fault of any kind,,,, then get it fixed,,,,,simple as!

**ice man** · by **ice man** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:46 am

<div class='quotetop'>(billys valver)</div><div class='quotemain'>what's not that simple?
if u have an a.b.s fault of any kind,,,, then get it fixed,,,,,simple as!</div>

I agree - just saying that if its not working, you not only loose the driver aid, but it can Also affect braking. (ie it can cause severe braking performance reduction)

A lot of people were saying that you should be able to drive properly and not need ABS (and this is true)

But it's not that simple as it isn't a case of NO ABS, it's FAULTY ABS.

When you press the brakes and the ABS decides to push against you for no reason.... that is somethin No driving skill can overcome. especially when it allows full braking force to 1 front wheel, and none to the other side!

Ps Hope you get it fixed OK.

**billys valver** · by **billys valver** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:57 am

<div class='quotetop'>(ice man)</div><div class='quotemain'>I agree - just saying that if its not working, you not only loose the driver aid, but it can Also affect braking. (ie it can cause severe braking performance reduction)

A lot of people were saying that you should be able to drive properly and not need ABS (and this is true)

But it's not that simple as it isn't a case of NO ABS, it's FAULTY ABS.

When you press the brakes and the ABS decides to push against you for no reason.... that is somethin No driving skill can overcome. especially when it allows full braking force to 1 front wheel, and none to the other side!

Ps Hope you get it fixed OK.</div>

i never said its a case of no abs or faulty abs?

what i said was if u have an abs problem of any kind, GET IT FIXED!

**Mac** · by **Mac** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:06 am

for fooks sake people,
If you got an ABS fault then just crack on, If a stupid kid or person jumps in the road in front of you then squash the t**t!! We all have done the Green cross code at school!!!!!

Has no one heard of ca-dense(spelling) braking?

Pull the fuse and use your brains!!

Fair dues mate, trick the MOT tester if you can get away with it.

Happy Braking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1.

**houston** · by **houston** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:01 am

lol at these replys, i was half expecting to come back to a locked thread! im gonna pull the fuse out for the abs, glad i was reminded.

the vaux dealer said the part will be delivered to me tuesday, its not a case of me just goin and picking it up cos its nearly 10 mile away and i cant guarantee transport to get there.

and abs doesnt stand for anti lock braking system, its advanced braking system, you can still lock the wheels up with abs but its only for a fraction of a second.

im not worried at all about disabling the abs as i used to do it all the time on my primera, if i was goin any long distances on motorways then it would be put back on, but for everyday driving i took the fuse out, i prefer driving without abs to be honest, lot more driver control.

**houston** · by **houston** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:27 am

<div class='quotetop'></div><div class='quotemain'>getting back to the original thread...brakes are THE most important safety aspect of a vehicle, and if his brakes are not working to maufacture spec, and also not fit to pass an mot, then surely they are un safe!</div>

i would have said the tyres are the most important thing but to each his own.

abs is NOT a faster way to brake, why cant people believe this, abs is a system that applies the brakes 20-30 times per second to give braking and control to avoid any collision through steering, very handy on motorways where you have the hard shoulder or another lane to move into but not round the town wher you have cars coming other way and parked cars, in situations like these the thing you want is to stop faster! without abs if you have the car in gear then it is very difficult to lock brakes up, my primera was on good tyres and with good brakes and it was nigh on impossible to get it to lock up. think carefully about this, abs releases the brakes 30 times per second, non abs has full contact, which is gonna stop quicker?

i know how abs works and im not an idiot, this is a temp cure as ive said a few times, but even when its fixed i can guarantee you that once im used to the car fully then that abs fuse will spend most of its life in the ashtray.

**ice man** · by **ice man** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:01 am

<div class='quotetop'>(billys valver)</div><div class='quotemain'>i never said its a case of no abs or faulty abs?

what i said was if u have an abs problem of any kind, GET IT FIXED!</div>

Just to quote above, you wrote 'whats not so simple? - get it fixed...'

I agree - You never said anything about 'a case of no abs or faulty abs?' - I did, in response to your question.

Also... on another note... If the light comes on to indicate a fault - this is letting you know that the ABS ecu isn't happy with something (ie a sensor) and it has disabled itself (ie no interference with the brakes).

If the ecu hasn't realised there is a fault and is enabled then this is very dangerous. That's what happened to me (in a Rover). If the fuse is out then that can't happen.

Good luck with the MOT - By the way.

**houston** · by **houston** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:10 pm

car passed, was talking to the tester and even he said abs causes accidents.

**dicky** · by **dicky** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:23 pm

Im not to keen on the ABS also as it lets off when braking hard but is good when going round a corner.

In a strait line on even road surface non ABS is better and gives the driver more controll over braking.

If a fault occurs due to a sensor then the ABS ISN'T allways deactivated as my sensor went the light came on then went out but when i put my foot on the brake i could here the ABS letting off on that wheel and it made it hard for me to stop.

Taking the fuse out is the only sure way that u know u have control.

Well happy to hear ur car passed MOT.

Migns due end of the month, doubt it will pass though.

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